EDUCATE TO THRIVE (E12)

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Conversation for a better tomorrow - Episode 12

Educate to thrive

Mariya Radysh 0:00
Education has to be offered in kindergarten, through school through university. At the workplace, I think it needs to be offered at every single stage once again, because basically every month we learn new things about our health and how to become healthier, how to prove our well being both physical and mental. So it is something that needs to be taught on an ongoing basis through the entire life of a person.

Luke Fenwick 0:32
Hello, everybody, we are back for Episode 12. And this week's guest is Mariya Radysh. Two time TEDx speaker, former lawyer, transformational speaker and speaker of five languages holder of numerous university degrees, passionate advocate for personal development, thought leader unintentional adaptability, human potential and how to thrive as human being in the 2020s are us here to offer insight into her world and what sits behind human behaviour, resilience, adaptability and growth. Her vision is to educate and aid as many people as possible to transform and create for themselves a healthier and happier life, a Fact Finder of game changing ambitions with a remarkable aspiration. Let's get to the show and hear all about it.

Alrighty, oh, well, we are back. We are back. We are back. Hello, Sean. So excited. Are you again, Mariya. Awesome. Awesome to have you here. So excited for this show. Sean, let's get right into it.

Sean Oldham 1:43
Yeah, let's just dive right in. You know, enough about us. Right. So, Mariya, first of all, thank you for being here. It's been awesome digging into your work over the last couple of days to you know, come up with some questions. And you've really, you know, done a lot of remarkable things, as Luke just touched on in the intro. So, can't wait to pick your brain today. Thank you for being here. But what I wanted to get into is, as we started off with, you know, it's been 14 years since you arrived in Australia, you know, and I want to hear about that journey a little bit. And you know, how it's been and you know, how, how things are going. And obviously, this is home and where you're where you're going to be probably for a while. So, you know, how's that transition been? And what are the big highlights?

Mariya Radysh 2:23
It's been the most interesting experience of my life and the best decision I have ever made to come to Australia. But I'm still adjusting. I mean, it'd been such a long time, but I'm still adjusting to certain things. And yeah, I learned so much a lot here. I've met such incredible friends here. I expanded my horizons, I finally started working on my personal development. And I love it I love it. Especially the fact that it doesn't snow here. I love it.

Sean Oldham 2:59
Yeah, definitely different from from where you were you came from Russia. Now I also because I know the guests are probably going to be wondering what the five languages are. So can we just get that out of the way? Can you tell us what the five languages are that you speak?

Mariya Radysh 3:12
Well, Ukrainian and Russian languages are my native languages. And I also used to be fluent in Spanish, French and hopefully English.

Sean Oldham 3:21
You're doing pretty good in English. We can speak French and Spanish together to separately if you like. So, sure thing.

Luke Fenwick 3:28
Can someone give me a little bit of a little bit of taste of either Spanish or French? So I'm very "Je suis desole petit parle en francais" that that's that's about as far as we go.

Sean Oldham 3:40
But your wife does though. You'd never never picked up much more than that.

Luke Fenwick 3:43
I? Well. I did I did three or four months of you know, going to class and learning French and whatnot. Sorry for digressing a little bit. And then everybody says Why don't you practice with with Julie, your wife who's from France and you know, speaks it obviously very, very well. I just feel really, really bad butchering it in front of her and on and on. It's clearly just something that I need to work through. But that's for me, that's the thing, and Julie would be fine with it. At one stage or another. She was putting sticky notes all over the house. Like this is a glass and this was a cup and this is a what you know, whatever it might be, but I just feel really embarrassed that that that I don't know it. So you know, from someone who's a coach and coaches people through these kind of exact moments. It's it's rather ironic, but yeah, that that's the challenge I have I just I hate butchering in front of her but did the class for a while was actually understanding a lot because Julie speaks to her mom all the time on zoom. So I was always picking up god they're talking about what are they saying? What are they saying? And then like sport has kind of gone backwards. But But anyway, sorry.

Sean Oldham 4:48
No, it's all good.

Mariya Radysh 4:51
Learning it's Yes. And I'm sure she loves it so you have absolutely nothing to be embarrassed about.

Luke Fenwick 4:57
You. You are very very humble and not wanting to get into too much of yourself here, Mariya. But I'd like to understand a little bit more about the stand up comedy that you're doing for a while, so everybody may know you as was as an academic, and someone that looks at, you know, human behavior and performance. And maybe he doesn't know too much about the stand up comedy side of things. So let us digress for a moment longer. And tell us a little bit about that.

Mariya Radysh 5:28
Um, I got lucky, a friend of mine started a business, which is school of hard knocks, knocks. So it's a comedy school. Originally, it was only Melbourne, but now it's all around Australia. So you can actually sign up for a course and they run classes, I think on a monthly basis. So you do your course, for five days, and then you present your pitch in front of a live audience. It was usually about 100 people. So that was the most, you know, like I do strive to stretch my comfort zone. That was the biggest stretch I have ever experienced to actually come out there. And making you know, sexy jokes and jokes about my boobs and my hair. And that was the assignment actually the course that we had, we were given assignments every day. And we were supposed to make jokes about on different topics. And then we put it together for the final performance. And yeah, so that was very, very interesting. And I did it because I really would love to add more humour to my talks, to my workshops, to my presentations to make it more humorous to talk about serious things with humour and more... Be more of a George Carlin, I guess I love George Carlin. It's such a loss for all of us, that he passed away. And I just love the way he talks about serious topics but in a very fun manner, memorable manner, just that straight to your heart with how he was expressing himself.

Luke Fenwick 7:03
And is it is it something that you still practice now the stand up comedy side of things appreciating it might be something that you integrate into your talks, but have you been up on stage of late and done any, any shows?

Mariya Radysh 7:15
Not of late. But the school runs, shows nearly every night. So you hear graduates you can come and perform if you want to. So it is something that I love to do my near future. But currently I'm just focusing on doing more academic research and to do a stand up comedy is it's very time consuming, you need to spend a lot of time, put a lot of effort into writing your material. And I just gave I do that I really want to do it properly. And so if I do, and I just want to give it all of my focus and have an opportunity to perform, which is great to know. So yeah, definitely, I'll take a chance on that again.

Luke Fenwick 8:02
We're looking forward to that one we'll let let's get into some of the work that you've done. And when we talk about it, you know, some of your TEDx talk. So we're talking about conquering the final frontier of space yet, you know, we are so far from getting this right, this this experiment that we're doing on planet Earth. So are we misplacing our focus with what we're trying to do in space? But why is it so important for us right now to be to be looking beyond our own planet and into space? I know that's there's a lot into that question. But I love to hear your thoughts.

Mariya Radysh 8:37
I think it is absolutely the right thing to do to strive to become interplanetary species. And particularly because whether we're talking about growth on the personal level, or whether we're talking about growth, globally, we do need to have smart goals, you know, goals that we know are achievable and need to be done now when we can create a proper short strategy to complete them. But we also need one at least one hairy audacious goal that helps us to grow to keep going to the next level into the next level on to the next level. So whether on a personal level, whether on a global level, it is necessary to have at least one of such goals that will be like a shining star, you know, like a direction for us to keep growing towards. And of course, there are so many problems on Earth. But if we're talking about space exploration, lots of experiments that are run lots of tests that are run lots of things that we learn about in particular Moon and Mars and other planets. They actually help us to take care of all planets, and to lots of technologies that have been developed through SpaceX like through the space exploration process also get given to the population and even if we'll look at How much money you spend on the space exploration. It's, it's a very, very small percentage if we compare it, for example, to things that are spent on army and on wars, and you know, things like that. So yeah, there's been a lot of criticism, I see a lot of people criticizing Jeff Bezos and Richard Branson, you know, saying that are just rich millionaires, having your rides and you know, being in this pissing contest who went higher, and things like that. So a lot of people are very upset about it in particular, now, while the world is going through the pandemic, but I think that especially now, it's really important, because it's one of those things that gives us hope. It's one of the things that helps us to redirect our attention. Because if we just think about the pandemic, it's just going to be so depressing, and we're just gonna feel so stuck. And there's less of a chance for us to grow into thrive at the end of it. But if we have things that bring us joy, I think that we can look forward to things that inspire us things that excite us. And speaking of inspiration, in particular, Richard Branson, when he was up there, you know, he took his horn, all the way up and down. But he said, he sent a message to the younger generations. And he said, You see, like, if we can do this, just imagine what you can do. So I think just that message on its own, made a really great impact that inspired a lot of people on the planet, to grow professionally and personally. So I think the timing was right, I think it was the right thing to do. And I always get excited when I come across any news about space exploration and space missions. And I think like that,

Luke Fenwick 11:59
Yeah. And, and thank you, thank you for putting that in such an articulate way. And I must admit that I was one of the people that that called it a, you know, big pissing contest and a bit of a waste of money. So, you know, we come at this from a different spot. But like, I, I certainly agree with what you're saying in regards to, you know, we as humans need to keep on being reminded in regards to what the edge of our existences and what the edge of our capabilities are. And as you said, that enables them the next generation to come through and, and go, Well, if they're doing that, then you know, what is next for me? And what else can we create along the way? So I certainly agree with that. I think the the the challenge that I have with it, is then you know, what else could be done? or What else could the investment go into? Or, you know, if you look at some of the things when they were talking about, you know, taxes that were being taken or invested into some of these space programs that could be going into some of these poorer places where, you know, the launching pads are being created. I think that's the challenge I've got, but I couldn't agree with you more, I think the way that you put that is that it is a reminder, you know, we think that we are sometimes at the end of our capabilities, but we are not even close. And having people remind us along the way, just sparks that where do we go to from here?

Sean Oldham 13:15
I also really love your answer. And, you know, in that TED talk, you I loved how you said, you know, we're all same, same, but different. And you were talking more in that regard towards kind of like your microbiome and more kind of health reasons. But I want to I want to take the space question and move it towards, you know, education a little bit, right? Because, you know, we, it's so easy to just take the other side of the argument. And that's what human beings seem to like to do today with call out culture and just standing on a soapbox, and just taking the other side for the sake of taking the other side, right? Do you think there's any way that you know, human beings, and maybe the next generation can maybe take this space race, and the need for renewable energy? Because this planet isn't getting any smaller? And take these causes and find a way to unify? Right? Because, you know, the way we are as humans, I worry. Well, if we figure out how to get to space, are we just going to fight about getting there? And you know, like, like, just try to like, is that gonna, in the end create war because we're gonna still have the lack mindset. I mean, we are running out of space on this planet, right? And if we figure out how to get to Mars, it's not going to we're not gonna be able to populate the whole thing in one go. Right. So how would you start the process of unification through the space race?

Mariya Radysh 14:35
Wow, what a question. I really love that you highlighted that the level of our personal development is not there yet. So as much as I'm excited about becoming interplanetary species, I think before we do before we start relocating to Mars into the moon in particular, we're really need to take ourselves to the next level first and as a person, as an individual as a society, this is what worries me, not the misplacement of money and investments because I don't think they are. But just understanding that we as a species are not at that level of development, where we should be becoming interplanetary species at this point in time. So I'm hoping that within the next few years, by the time we can actually travel long distance into other planets and settle there, that things will change in the personal development part of things. I really hope that will happen. And I don't know how to get there, but I love Star Trek. I like it because of aliens and stories and special effects. Yes, but I love it because it portrays a version of our future, where money is not the most important asset, what value what is important is whether you are experiencing personal growth, what is it you contribute to the society, these are things that are celebrated, this is what everyone is striving for. So it's no longer about money. The main asset is your reputation. And I really love love it about Star Trek, it's one of the things that I really love. And I think the future like that would be absolutely amazing. And I would love to see us going in that direction. And another thing while I'm talking about Star Trek, another thing, I really love that, in that future people respect our body respect the human body, because they have all the technology there where they can replace you know every single part of your body and turn to your jaw into a droid or a robot or make you mechanical and invincible and you know, basically perfect, but they don't do it. When someone gets hurt or someone gets sick, they repair that organ or that part of your body. And they're very respectful to the human form. And if there are any replacements, it's only if there is no other choice if you cannot repair the body anymore. So that's another thing that I really, really love about Star Trek and how they portray the future. But the main thing, like I said, I really, really respect that idea that we can have this version, where it is about growing ourselves and about helping each other and about growing as a society and focusing on what value we can bring to others. I really love that. And I'd love to see us going that way.

Sean Oldham 17:49
Mm hmm. And that's only the tip of the iceberg for for education and kind of unification. We've got a lot more questions for you. And yeah, no, I I'm just curious, have you read much of Joseph Campbell's work? This wasn't in my questions, but like the power of story, you know, the hero's journey? No, okay. Well, we'll save that for another conversation then. But, you know, it's the the love of Star Trek, we all kind of have our shows. And it's just that we all attach to a story, right? Like human beings attached a story you think about throughout time. And you look what Joseph Campbell's work does is he looks at all of the different cultures. He's a historian, and the amount of similarities that all of these different cultures before the world knew about each other, how similar every culture's stories were surrounding, you know, basically, the hero's journey, and the transition stories, and you know, all of these different things that there was no way of knowing that there were similarities, but like, internally, we all have that same desire, right? We all want the hero's journey, we all want that outcome. But we've got to find a way to connect on that. Right. And that's the that's the challenge, because there's a great divide right now.

Luke Fenwick 19:03
Is that part of the issue, why people are missing part of the point with what basis and brands have done is that they've forgotten that hero's story, all they say is a dude in his spacecraft going to the edge of space, but actually don't see, you know, that day one, which led to the opportunity to do this over time. Maybe that's maybe that's where their angst is coming from.

Mariya Radysh 19:24
I think Richard Branson did that because he posted a conversation where he was giving an interview at some TV program, and like, I don't know, 20 years ago, maybe and someone called him and asked him, Are you thinking of going to space and he said, Oh, this is how it started. You know, someone asked me that question, and I decided why not? And then he was posting videos about his team, which I really loved by the ways in comparison to Jeff Bezos. He posted, he introduced his team, you know, it was it was less of a branding thing, it was more of a, meet your team meet the team that will actually help you to get there because they will be taking care of you. And just the way they treated each other like you cannot fake it, you know, all the micro expressions and how they handle each other and how they treated each other before during after the flight just shows how much closeness within the organization there is. And the people are about collaboration rather than competition with each other. And it is like a family and Richard Branson for years has been saying that, you know, the most important thing you can do is to take care of your employees. So I think Richard Branson actually did show us that hero story. But Jeff Bezos didn't, and he, his approach was very different. He was of course made fun of a lot about, you know, the shape of the rocket to start with, and then, you know, mean tweets towards Richard Branson that you know, you're not going higher at all. So you're not actually going to be in space, but I will be, which is debatable. And also people that he brought on board, you know, having someone who was the youngest person to travel to space and having someone who was the oldest person to travel to space, making it more of a branding exercise.

Luke Fenwick 21:21
Yeah, different different motives, maybe you've made mentioned a few times there about taking care of yourself. And you know, we know how big you are into the mind, but anxiety can lead to depression. And in 2019, you're exhausted and burnt out at your desk, barely able to climb stairs. Talk to us about what was happening and and what was the puzzle that you needed to put together to get you moving at that point in time?

Mariya Radysh 21:50
What got me into burnout, I experienced shorter burnouts before that. But the reason was, is because I mistakenly believe that life was about grinding and surviving and being busy and stressing out about things. And just it was about how much you can do in one day. So that was all outdated misconceptions that, you know, that were installed into my brain. And I did not take care of myself at all. So yes, I ended up burning out in particular, for over a decade, I developed severe joint pain all over my body, had other types of pain. So I was following through, I was still working and doing a lot of physical work and intellectual work, following through and not taking care of myself. So yeah, that to that point where in the mornings, I was in so much pain, and I was so with lethargic, I couldn't get out of the bed for a few hours. And I had to make a coffee that I would put on the stand the night before, like a huge, huge coffee. And this is what I would do the first thing I would drink that coffee, which is a no, no, of course, a very bad thing to do. But it was the only way for me to actually drag myself out of bed. And it was pain 24/7, and I was just wilting away. And so I realized, look, there's got to be more to this life. And if I'm doing something wrong, so I started digging, and I dedicated myself to research about that. And I realized that it is a puzzle. It's not just one thing that you can change in your life. Usually when we feel anxiety, or when we feel depression, or when we experience a burnout, there's always an accumulation of certain things. It's not just one thing, it's several reasons that just came together and you need to address them silmutaneously at the same time. So for instance, like one of the interesting things I found was that the levels of our hydration and the quality of our sleep actually intertwined. And if you don't get proper sleep, you don't get properly hydrated throughout the day. And if you don't get properly hydrated for the day, which of course impacts both impacts how your brain works, and how your body functions. If you don't get properly hydrated through the day, then you don't get proper sleep. So these were two things in particular that I had to address simultaneously. But there were lots of other things. And yeah, my TEDx talk, I said that, look, it's a puzzle. There are certain pieces that are important for every one of us. But of course, for one person may be sleep is more important for another person, it could be nutrition for someone else, it could be more getting more sunlight, having producing more vitamin D, for someone who could be about mindset. So I was trying to show that, you know, I hear a lot that mindset is everything. And I say no mindset is not everything. It's only one piece to the puzzle. It's very, very important. It's maybe the best way, the best place to start to start working on your mindset to start growing in that way, but it's not the only thing, it's not the most important thing. There's a lot of things that we need to do physically to take care of ourselves on a physical level, in order to be a thriving human being.

Sean Oldham 25:28
And that's brilliant. I love that. And I'd love to just very quickly before I ask another question, and let Luke digress is, you know, for me personally, and I'd love your opinion. I think the starting point is knowing that myself, right, like reflective questions like going deep, and, you know, taking the signals that anxiety sends you, for example, because to me, that's a message right? I'm feeling anxiety, I start to ask questions, like, why am I feeling this anxiety? What's going on? As my routine slipped? I doing the the mindfulness work, you know, why am I feeling this, because there's a reason for it, right? It's your body speaking to you. So for me, it's it's knowing thyself and digging into that relationship with self. And I'd love to hear your take on that.

Mariya Radysh 26:09
I think that solution to anxiety and depression and burnout says improving our resilience. They say our happiness as opposed like opposite happiness is opposite to depression and anxiety. But I believe that it's not happiness, it's resilience. And if we make ourselves more resilient, and more adaptable, and more agile than happiness will just come as a byproduct. So I talk a lot about the three legged resilience chair that every one of us needs to build. And I believe that the most important leg is our health, physical and mental health. And I talk about them as the same leg because they are so closely intertwined. And they affect each other, we should not be separating them at all. So the most important leg is our health. The second leg is relationships. And it's not the quantity of relationships, but the quality, the depth of our connections with other people. And the third leg is being what makes you fulfilled, maybe it's your hobbies or something you do, professionally. So that third leg is fulfillment. So it has to do with goal setting, and goal achieving, and mindset and things like that. So I do believe that we are focusing on the wrong thing. Chasing happiness and not understanding that happiness is not something you find something you create and you create it, through, in particular, making yourself more adaptable and more resilient. I think this is where the focus should go. Mm hmm.

Sean Oldham 27:40
I love that. Luke, I think I caught you off, I feel like you had something you wanted to.

Luke Fenwick 27:43
Yeah. Because when you mentioned there about, you know, grind. You know, and you see this on social media a lot, you know, everybody's talking about, you know, rise and grind, and all that kind of stuff. You know, there's all lovely words. But, you know, I think regardless of what of you trying to do in life, there's going to be an element of dedication. And there's going to be an element of of time that it takes to do these things. And usually, that's where I think this confusion comes in with people is that they know, if you're wanting to be late or excellent at anything, then it's then you're going to have to put in the work, whether or not that's from physical attributes, or a mental attribute, business or yourself or whatever it might be. So I think the thing that people need to wrap their head around is that how do they change that perspective? Because if then you can flip that perspective into a different way, then that's where that grind can move away. It's not, I have to do this, I want to do this, you know, this is this is what I'm created to do. And then it moves away from it. And certainly, you know, and Sean, you're touching on on as well, is that that that anxiousness is your body giving you a sign that there is something unaligned within you? Now, it doesn't necessarily mean that it's, it's bad or fatal, or, you know, absolutely for fear, but it is around what how do I get my head around and have a different perspective of what's going on? To get away from that, that kind of anxiousness. I know that, you know, when I went through the period, were always anxious, and seeing a therapist and she was saying, you know, there's a level of anxiousness heading towards depression. For me it was around, how do I change this narrative in my mind by looking at it from a different angle, because these things still existed, but I needed to be able to process it in a way where I didn't go down that rabbit hole, every time the circumstance would come up, I would, in essence, accept it, and understand what it was and then enable it to move past that. So when you talk about grind, I think that's really interesting because people just think you've got to have got to grind every single day. I've got to be doing this for 15 hours. Well, great things will take time and dedication. Jeff Bezos and Richard Branson didn't build what they they have overnight, but you know, you need to change your view on the whole thing. So that's kind of where I was going.

Mariya Radysh 30:06
I know that crying doesn't work, I did the grind, and it doesn't work and just led me to burn out and to missing out on different opportunities and not building relationships properly. And when I was because I started to grind when I was five, I had a really happy childhood on a farm with my grandparents in Ukraine. But when I was five, I moved to Russia to Moscow. And I started learning second language, I started going to music school to play piano, I was only five. And at six, I started primary school, and then a year later another language and it's, yeah, and for most of my life, I was so sleep deprived or stuck up to three than best four hours a night, I did not understand how badly I was damaging myself both mentally and physically. Not giving myself proper rest. So I did grind, I did achieve a lot. But looking back at my life, I think that that 30 something years of grind, I see it as a great blur. I'm trying to think of any happy moments that I had, and I barely had any, because I was so focused on moving forward and being busy and stressing out, you know, it was either busy, I'm busy stressing out, that was my life. And I was pulling in, I did have goals, I did have very clear goals where I was going. But what was happening is that as soon as that would get close to your goal, I would see that I wasn't it wasn't what I thought It was, and I would change the direction. So for instance, like it was a point that I just I dreamt of being an ambassador, so want to become an ambassador. And I thought it was about traveling the world and making friendships and speaking different languages and, you know, collaborating and networking. And that was my perspective. So I was working very hard. I was getting proper specific education to become an ambassador to work in an embassy. But once I got close to it, and I met people who actually worked in embassies, I realized that it wasn't culture that I thought it was and that it wasn't for me that I didn't want to be there. And then I started working towards something else. So gringes doesn't work. And I really hate when influences throw this phrase around. In particular, when they themselves fake proper, proper care of themselves. I mean, if you look at people who throw this phrase rise and grind, you'll see that they, you know, they eat properly this they have date nights with their life partners. They spend time with their kids, they go on holidays, they have hobbies, you know, skydiving and surfing and this and that, they take care of themselves mentally, they take care of themselves physically, but for some reason, they're not saying about those things. And they say you've got a grind. But what did they actually meant to say? Is that be focused, have clarity, where are you going? What are you trying to achieve? What are your goals, your mission, vision, honor, have clarity about that? And then focus and be consistent? Like you said, it takes time. Yes, it does. Everything takes time. You know, if you whenever someone is asked, How does it feel to be an overnight success? What do they usually say? Oh, it took me nearly a decade or over a decade or two decades to become that overnight success. So it's another misconception that overnight success that they're throwing around. Yeah, so when we look at those experts, and specialists and influencers, and you know, forward thinkers who encourage to rise and grind are saying that time is the most important asset. If you look at their life, you will see that they do take care of themselves. They do have clarity of where they going, that they are consistent with their efforts, that they are focused. So when they do work, they focused fully on that, when they spend time with their family, we fully focused on that. If they go for a surf, they fully focused on that. So that's the key to success, you know, taking care of yourself and being focused and consistent.

Luke Fenwick 34:25
It's the balance that you're talking about there. It's you know, it's okay to do the 12 hours or 15 hours a day, as long as you're doing these other things. And Sean on I might throw this to you the whole balance and focus and shifting and being able to dive into the thing that you're pursuing. How's that been for you recently? I know that there's been a lot going on in your life. I hope you don't mind me throwing this one to you, but just....

Sean Oldham 34:54
I mean, I'll very quickly go there because then I have a question. Specifically, I'm itchy to ask Mariya But no, I mean, it's, we always talk about ease, right and glorify, you know, like, again, like, Oh, it's so easy to grind and this and that and the other and misleading, you know, posts on social media, like you just said, but the last couple months have been quite difficult, right? Like, you know, my daughter had a never ending cough that every doctor said was fine. But you know, living in a pandemic, you can't send your daughter to daycare, and you know, my fiance has had a salaried job before she went on mat leave. So every day, I was 5050, the night before whether I was gonna get to work the next day, right? was I gonna be able to be there for my clients or not? So, you know, it was it was a blessing in disguise, because it forced me to figure out, you know, what are the most important tasks? What are the most value added tasks? What do I really want to be doing with my time, and it made me like, hungry to fight for this even more, right? I've got to find a way that, like you said, we're going to talk about this soon, but energy, right? How do I maximize my energy if my time is not guaranteed? And how do I get the most out of the time that I have? But you know, it's funny, because as soon as I signed up for this year long investing MBA, right value investing and options, trading and such, my daughter got this sickness, and all of a sudden, I'm getting tested, right? And that's just it, that's life, it's never going to be a straight line, it's never going to be a linear shot, to you know, your best life, you've got to earn it. And, you know, it wasn't about grind. It was about mind. Right? It was about like, how do I keep this thing? Right? when, you know, some days, I just wanted to scream, right? And I remembered, it's not about fair, it's not about fair, you know, it's, it's about how you show up every day. And, you know, I get it. I hope that answers your question, Luke, but on the subject of grind, Mariya, it's okay, I want to dig into your one of the last posts that you put out there about, you know, rise and grind, I really quite enjoyed it, you know, there's so many different ways that, you know, people kind of convey this message, you know, hustle harder, hard work works, you know, school of hard knocks, it's this badge of honor, right, that, you know, especially you think the last generation you think about, you know, modern corporate world, especially, you know, I'm in Canada, but in America and North America, you think about why it is this way. Well, you know, you had World War Two, which led to, you know, two thirds of CEOs of Fortune 500 companies having had wartime experience. So, you know, big surprise that the workforce has this, you know, go hard and grind mentality. But there's a problem with this, right? Because if just hard work and hustle hard and go hard and grind was the answer, we would have a lot more millionaires out there, we would have a lot more financially free people because there's a lot of people that are working very hard believing this math that are not living their best life, right that are that are not fulfilled that do not have a lot of money. And you know, as well, we're having increases in in depression, right increases in mental health issues. It's not going down. It's going up. I just read an article that in America, you know, it's now one in 10 Americans is medicated against depression, right? So hard work, grind mode, Beast Mode, whatever name you want to give it. It obviously isn't working that well. So how does a young impressionable person navigate this world of social media? And not just copy somebody and not just see an influencer and think well, this is what I must do, right? How do you how do you talk to a young person who is looking at this world with so much incoming stimulus and get them to find their own way?

Mariya Radysh 38:40
I wish I would educate about those things as early as possible. I believe that we should educate about how to be healthy and happy starting from kindergarten and maybe even earlier. I wish I was thought about those things that I'm learning now in my 40s. there's a lot of information and misinformation is not just about grind, but also about health. It's it's, it's a very, very long conversation, but how much misinformation is out there. And I think that like what we can do like three of us what we can do is just put as much information as possible out there and to educate as well as we can and just keep spreading the message and hoping that more people would see it because like I said, my mindset was very very different through most of my life. Being in that grind and hustling and being busy all the time and you know, saying that I'll sleep it off once I die, you know, things like that. very stupid things I was saying. It just little by little me saying different quotes. Which was actually interesting, you know what my personal development started with missing quotes on Facebook. It's amazing. The quotes were popping up, that would make sense to me. And I would think, yeah, that's right, but I couldn't pull them together a quick connected dots. So it was I had this strong feeling that life should be different, and I should be doing things differently. But I didn't know where to start. And I didn't know what to do and how to connect that information that I was getting in form of quotes on Facebook, out of all platforms where I don't really I'm not, I'm not anymore on that platform so much. And it was kind of building up that information and me reading books and seeing different quotes and meeting different people. And particularly, when the first time, someone told me that happiness is not something you find, but something you create, my response to them was there wouldn't be happiness than artificial. You know, that was a stupid response that I gave it. I said, like, if I'm making myself happy, instead of attaching happiness to things that people, you know, to money, or relationships, or respect, or whatever, sound like if I'm creating happiness within myself, like wouldn't feel artificial. That was my response.

it's just the meeting people reading books, finally finding the right mentor. This is how it happened. For me. That was my journey to finally finding the right mentor who explained the basics, certain basics. For me, in particular, you know about confidence and about setting big goals, things like that, because also, I was brainwashed into setting SMART goals. And he explained to me, no, you have to have bigger goals as well. So he explained certain things to be and this is where it finally, I got onto the right path. And I started doing my own research and digging deeper and reading books. And so following different experts and looking into studies and research. So that was my journey. And I think it's very individual for everyone. And I would love to see more, right information being up there to push aside misinformation that's being spread around. And I think that many cases, those influencers they don't mean, to do harm, they don't mean to misdirect a person is just they are themselves misdirected. And they don't pay enough attention to the words that they're saying. You know, so when we say grind might mean something very different to what I understand the grind, but they don't explain it, they didn't go further into detail. And then others misunderstand what they said. So it's not just, I don't think that many people are malicious. I mean, there are certain companies, organizations and people that are malicious, because if you're grinding, you're not taking care of yourself, you're not taking care of your health. You're not building proper relationships, and you're so exhausted, you're so focused on surviving, that you're not even thinking, am I actually happy? Is this is what the life should be about? I don't know. Am I happy with the system of education? Am I happy with the politicians? Am I happy with the medical industry, that it is how they are at the moment? If you're exhausted, you're not going to question those things, you know, you're just going to hold your head down and just keep surviving and just focusing on how can I make some money to pay to pay my next bills, you know, to pay my next mortgage, to take care of my family. So in some cases, this misinformation is malicious. But I think in many cases, when people throw things like that, you know, rise and grind, they just don't understand what it does to their followers. And yeah, they're just, they're just, I see this thing happening, but one person would say it, and then so many people would just repeat it then it just pops up on my feed. So they just repeat things after each other without actually thinking through and looking deeper into what's being said then they repeat those outdated phrases and beliefs and you know, that it's, it's not about like, cuz I'm a former lawyer, so I know what it is to be in a corporate world and where they thought that the longer you stay at your desk, the better employee you are, you know, that if you stay after 5pm and you work till like 10pm till midnight, that this is what makes you most valuable and this is how it should be instead of focusing on how productive someone is. I know a lot of people that just stayed at work just because not because they were doing something, but just to show off their bosses that, you know, I'm sitting at my desk.

Luke Fenwick 45:10
Daniel was talking about it in the last episode with the investment bankers that would leave their jacket on the, on this edge of the sofa or the chair, just everybody thought there was still in work. But you know what you were talking about there that? I think the challenge is, is that what, what is fact? Like people just have a real hard, hard path to actually understand what what is factual in this day and age? Because it's there is misinformation everywhere. What is true source? Where do you go to it to say, Well, I hear this theory, it actually really resonates with me, but is it factual, like a lot of people don't have the time or the resource to do those things. And that's why these, you know, really big statements that are outdated, maybe keep on getting repeated, or we have, you know, social media...people that it might have, you know, 3 million followers or not, they say something and everybody's like, Oh, this must be fact, because they don't have the time nor the mouse to go and do the research to back these things up, which is a really dangerous spot. And that can be applied to so much of the planet at this particular point in time, and we just need to be, you know, be mindful of it, but it will, you know, how do you, how do you? How do you do your research, you know, obviously, well learned university degrees, languages, TEDx speaker.... So, what do you look for when you're doing research, so someone's sitting at home listening to this, and now they are saying, I want to improve myself, I want to learn more, I want to be smarter, I want to expand my knowledge, really quickly, what is the best things they can do in order to get fact into their mind versus just an opinion of someone with a big platform?

Mariya Radysh 46:53
I'll have to refer two answers to this question. Because with my research, I'm digging very deeply. And I connect the dots amongst different industries and different sectors, To create a full picture of what we need to do in order to thrive as a human being. And I always not just triple check, I check everything like 10 times, let's form a lawyer talking to me. For example, if a study comes out, I'm very suspicious, not suspicious, but I don't believe things straightaway, I always look into Okay, if this study came out, who actually financed it? So this study that was done whose interest is actually supporting? What are they trying to prove? How many people that they monitor, you know, like, if it's a 20 people group, then you can say that this is a proper study. But if you have 1000s peoples, not just from one area, but from around the world, then it means the study has more of a chance to be factual to be true. And also see if it coincides if like if it clicks with other studies, that that are out there as well. For instance, there is this myth. So there was a study where they wanted to see whether external light affects your sleep. So if you close your eyes, whether you can, I don't know, see the lights through your skin, for example, and they place the light onto the knee. And they found that yes, if there is a light, then it means you're not getting good, you're not going to get proper sleep. So they started saying that you've got to have your room pitch black. And this is what so many sleep experts keep repeating one after another, which saddens me because this study wasn't wasn't actually factual. And quite like quite shortly, he is later another study like that was done, and they did not find anything that would support that finding. And if you think logically, for example, we as a species, we slept on to the moon, we slept under the fire, you know, we slept under the stars. With those bugs that emit light...

Sean Oldham 49:17
Blackout curtains didn't exist in the medieval times, you know, definitely didn't exist in, you know, Aristotle's time or go back even further.

Mariya Radysh 49:26
So even if you think logically, or if you look at so the studies, that is a myth that you have to have your room pitch black, but yeah, people keep repeating after one after another without actually looking deeper and finding out whether it's truth or not. So I always, always just check everything 10 times and I'll look at different aspects, not just the findings, but very importantly, who founded that study? What are they trying to prove? like one of my friends, she's a journalist, and she was telling me this story. A client came and they asked her to write an article about how amazing and healthy cheese is about hard cheeses. So she, you know, she did her research, she put the very great article about how incredible chees is for your health Two weeks later. And now the client comes in and says, look, you had an article on how great cheese was when did an article in your journal about how bad cheese is for your health. Because we in the meat industry, we need to promote meat. So we want to downgrade you know the dairy. So please write an article about how bad hard cheeses are. And in two days, she found enough information to put another great article about how bad cheese is. So that really shows how much misinformation is out there. And if you do come across a study, or those words, is actually a really great TEDx talks. And it's called five most dangerous words are "the latest research shows", something like that, like if you Google it, you'll find it a really great TEDx talk where the speaker talks about those things. And in particular, she talks about what are the most famous, I think, second most famous TED talk of Amy Cuddy by body language, you know, where she said that if you strike a pose, and you become more confident, and you become more successful, which also is a misinformation. And so that's a great TEDx talk, I think it's called the most dangerous words are the latest research shows of the latest study shows. So when we're talking about a person who doesn't do research professionally, then I think it's important for them to decide what kind of future they want, how do they see themselves, let's say in five years, in terms of their relationships, in terms of their health, in terms of their happiness, mental health, and so on. And once they make that decision, I think when they see helpful information, then it will stick. Because this is how our brain works, you know, we get what we focus on. So if we focus on becoming healthier, and happier, then when we see this information, then it gets our attention quicker. And if it clicks into whatever we already know. So I think we all need to start with just making a decision what my future should look like, what do I want to be who I want to be what I want to feel like what kind of people I'll have want to have around me. What I want to do how I want to feel, let's say in five years, and when reading books and following podcasts and looking for a mentor in it's very difficult to find the right mentor, it's incredibly difficult, it took me a very long time to find a mentor, my first mentor. And so yeah, I think this is the this is the place to start set a goal. But also be more thoughtful, more considerate when you do hear information, just to look a little bit deeper. Research, who founded it, how big of a group that was that they studied? Were there other research that contradict that research, or were there other research that supported? So yeah, that's how you can get to the bottom of things at the moment.

Luke Fenwick 53:33
Yeah, love it, love it be be clear on your aspiration for life and your reason why in a different kind of way, but then also be really clear on the information that you're getting, and the reason why they're putting that out there in the first place. And that'll give you a very powerful path to why it exists. Sean?

Sean Oldham 53:51
Yeah, a little thing, just I want to, like, expand on your point about, you know, like giving the research time to be proven wrong, effectively, right? Or just question at least because it wasn't very long ago, that we demonized fats as a society. And that didn't work out very well. And now we're demonizing carbs, right? And what's the outcome of that going to be right? It's just again, I've said this before, but I find it very hard to believe that a sweet potato is bad for me, right? So you know, it just be don't just just, you got to, like you've just you've mentioned this many times, but interrogative self talk, ask yourself questions, right? Get to know yourself, and listen to your body. because your body is going to speak to you right? You're going to put things into it that is not going to agree with you're going to put things into it, you're going to have great energy, right? Pay attention to your life, become the observer of your life, right? So that you know, you know what is happening with you. Don't just be that don't just be a blind spectator. Pay attention. But I do want to touch get in touch with the education a little bit with you because I know you're very, very passionate on education. And I want to ask you why You think it's so hard to change the education system? Right. Like Elon Musk once said something along the lines of, you know, it's easier, you know, to build a rocket and go to Mars than it is to change the education system. Right? So why is that so hard? And you know, because the education system was effectively created to, you know, build good workers for the Industrial Revolution. And so much has changed in our world so much, it's hardly recognizable, right lifespans have doubled in less than 200 years, we've been evolving as humans for 200,000. But we can't change the education system that much. Why is that?

Mariya Radysh 55:39
So due to quite a few reasons. So one of them we as a, as human beings, we don't really like change, our brain just the way it's wired, the way it's evolved. Even if we're finding ourselves in a miserable situation, brain knows that it can survive within that situation. So even if we do understand consciously, that if we change that the life is going to be better, our brain kind of struggles with that. It just freely really hates any type of change. Because its primary function is to protect us to survive physically. And this is what is doing is becoming that clumsy friend that's holding us back. It's like, as I say, like you have to like our brain was in the driver's seat for such a long time. And we got to the point where now we know how it operates. Like, there's so much thing that I know about our brain, but we do understand enough how it operates in order for it to put on the passenger seat and take the driver's seat and let it work for us instead of working for it. So there's this beautiful quote, that "brain makes a great servant, but it's a very poor master". So we really need to realize that, that brain, our brain, the way it has evolved, it helped us to this point. But now it's time to take over and to turn our brain into our servant. So it's one of the so one of the reasons is that we just struggle with change as a species, the way we evolved, the way our brains operate, that we just don't like change, even if we know that it's for the better. You know, even if you know that if you leave this job for something else, or, you know, if you leave this relationship, or if you stop eating that much bacon, I don't know. Life is gonna be better, but you don't do it. Because you just, you know, you keep doing what you're used to. And because once again, the brain knows that. If you survive through this, it means you will survive. But if things do change, it's not sure whether you will. So it's one of the reasons but also imagine if everyone becomes a healthy and a happy human being, how much money can you make on that? How much power can you have over a person who's thriving. So there's also really a great quote about pharmaceutical industry. That's "a patient cured as a customer lost"

Sean Oldham 58:21
That is a rabbit hole, a very dangerous rabbit hole because I am so anti Big Pharma, I was put on drugs as a kid, I was medicated heavily, right? Like I was the kind of person that the education system was not built for, right. You know, my IQ score would say differently. But I didn't realize I had any intelligence, I was made to feel very, very stupid for most of my life, right? Because I would just I was anxious. I wanted to jump off the walls, I didn't understand why I was learning these things. You know what I mean? Like it just it didn't work for me. And I absolutely love when you said that, you know, getting to this point. Now we can no longer have the brain be the master, I might be kind of paraphrasing a little bit because I've become obsessed with evolutionary psychology, right? Like looking at the evolutionary upgrades we've gotten over time. Well, the history and the world, the world happening around us, is changing faster than our evolutionary upgrades can keep up with, right. So if you don't change your programming, if you don't change and upgrade your wiring, then you're playing from behind in this world today, right? You can't just sit back and rely on your, your, your natural, given talents, because everything is changing so fast. And you go back a couple 100 years, think of how much data inputs came at the human brain a couple 100 years ago, compared to today, right like Sony, I'll send it to you after it's quite fascinating. But Sony does this shareholder address every year and they make this video about how quickly things have changed. And basically it said something along the lines of you know, the one newspaper today is about as much information as you could come across in a lifetime. in Shakespeare's time, right? So how much do we have to process is an outrageous amount? No wonder there's mental health. First of all, we're living twice as long, that's going to create more problems, right? Just that alone. And then secondly, you know, we weren't built to look at screens all day, right? We were built to be in fields foraging, making food hunting, connecting with people. So you know, I mean, that's, like I said, we can go down a whole other rabbit hole on this show will end up being four hours. So I'm gonna shut up now. But I connected with you big time on that. Thank you for that.

Mariya Radysh 1:00:34
Yeah, yes. Experts say now that in one day, we experienced more stress than our ancestors and their entire lifespan, about our brain has not adjusted to that. And when they say stress, a huge chunk of it is that information that we're getting, that we're getting, in particular, through the news that we're getting through advertisements that are triggering stress in us to get our attention, we get it through TV shows that we're watching. Like, it's already proven that if you binge watch TV shows, that actually leads to depression. So how much of information is bombarded at us? It's a huge, huge chunk. But also there are other things, there are other stresses in particular food that we eat. It's not as nutritious as it was, you know, and lots of foods are genetically modified, and lots of food are processed. And, for example, those who foods that have preservatives, preservatives that put in to reduce bacterial growth, and it means that when we consume those preservatives, it also affects our gut bacteria as well. So there's just so many things that are stressing us out. And also pollution, of course, you know, there's been a lot of, I've been seeing a lot about plastics, that plastic is not just an unsightly thing, on a beach that you see, or a mask, and I see lots of masks just being thrown on the ground in my area. But there was a really, so when I was doing my TEDx talk, second TEDx talk, I shared stage with Lauren. And she gave talks specifically on plastics. And she said that look, those plastics break into microplastics. And they are so tiny, that we actually breathe them in, because now they're not just in water. They're not just on the table salt, but they also in the air that we breathe. Being polluted with plastics is another stressor that we experienced, that our ancestors didn't. So there's a lots lots and lots of stressors that we experience on a daily basis. And then we wonder, you know, why we feel anxious? Or why we feel depressed or burnt out or unhealthy, and so on and so forth. But yeah, just with education system. Yeah, just imagine, you know, if everyone is happy and healthy and thriving, you cannot control a person like that. He cannot easily scare them. So you could manipulate them. You know, lots of marketing gimmicks would not work, let's say... Like, I'm not going to go into politics.

Sean Oldham 1:03:20
No you're right, we're we're keeping you here for quite a long time now. But I'm just enjoying this conversation so much. So we'll make sure that we eventually bring this to a close here, but you're making me think of an Eckhart Tolle a quote, in the power of now, where he says, it's just simply not possible to have an argument with the present person, because they're just not going to argue with you. Right? So it's the same thing that you were saying, right? It's, it's easy to control the highly manipulated, you know, frantic person that is, you know, doesn't want to think for themselves and instead just goes to the device or goes to the news, or goes to something like give me something because in absence of stimulus, I have to think, right, and it's sad, but thinking more and more seems to be a lost art.

Mariya Radysh 1:04:09
I think we can change the situation with the system of education only if enough people start demanding it. And this is what I've been trying to do. I've been trying to encourage students to speak up and to say to their universities that look, we need a subject on how to overcome anxiety and depression and mental health in particular, or we need this or we need that I've been trying to encourage students but unfortunately, students and particular international students they afraid of speaking up. So that didn't, that didn't work. My plan didn't work. But I think once we have enough people demanding the change, asking for a change or refusing to pay for education unless there is a subject on resilience or subject on how to human love the title, how to human, you know how to thrive as a human being? Then we will experience change, if there is enough of the demand, then the system will change.

Luke Fenwick 1:05:12
Where do you start with the education system? Now do you start it primary school age is it a university age or high school age is part of the challenge of, you know, re working the entire education system can also be that there's, there's a massive range of student capabilities, certainly at a primary school level... Sean, I'm not sure what age you're talking about. But that's part of the challenge, right? You've got to look at whatever the for lack of a better word, lowest common denominator is all the way through to something else. And so well, you know, what do you take away? And what do you reeducate? You know, there is certainly now a lot of literature, which I don't think ever existed when I was younger, and just talks about emotions for children, you know, I read that stuff, my boy now, and I don't remember any of that stuff. And I think that's really important. Because if you can't, if you can't talk about and process your emotions at a young age, then they're the things that Keep on tripping you up, as you get older, because the world that we have you in essence created is not healthy for us as humans. And that's the problem that we have now is that we've done all of these things to take our attention away. We've done all these things to put the wrong type of nutrition or nourishment into our body. So we've created this absolute beast that we are stuck in now. And you know, consumerism is a big part of it. And that's the that's the cycle that we're in. So is it an education piece for the internal? Is it an external piece? like where do you go with this stuff? And what particular age? Maybe that's another show for another time? I don't know.

Mariya Radysh 1:06:48
Well, I personally focus on the highest system of education. Because this is the industry that I know really well, I studied at five universities, I worked at universities and business schools, I was lucky to undertake my education on three continents. So I have an idea about what's happening within what needs to be improved. And also just so happen that I have so many followers who are university students, and they keep reaching out to me, and they share their stories. So I have a really good picture about what's happening, in particular with their mental health, and how they are not taken care of. So in particular, if they feel depressed, and they go to a counselor to get prescribed like two weeks of antidepressants, and that's it. They are not put into a proper support group. They're not explained how the brain works. They don't explain the basics of mental health, I think just rollercoaster between anxiety and depression. This is what's happening with students, in particular, with international students, because moving countries, this is stressful of its own. You know, plus doing studies and feeling pressure from the families and peers and so on. But I think that if the question is, where do we start, I actually think that it needs to start with people who want to be parents, I think that when a couple or a person decides to become a parent, they need to have some sort of a course that they would undertake, and learn the basics, how to raise a happy and healthy child, it needs to be an ongoing education that can because we're learning more and more, there's more and more researchers more and more findings. You know, we understand things better, you know, like fat is good, and sugar and salt are not evil either. And I think this is where it needs to start with parents with a person or people who want to become parents who need to be educated on how to raise a happy and healthy child. But then this type of education has to be offered in kindergarten, through school, through university and to workplace I think it needs to be offered at every single stage once again because basically every month we learn new things about our health and how to become healthier, how to prove our well being both physical and mental. So it is something that needs to be taught on an ongoing basis through the entire life of a person

Sean Oldham 1:09:18
100% I think that is you know, like we teach biology and not everybody is going to go and you know, work in surgery right? But we don't really take teach physiology and the inner workings of you know, the connections between the gut and brain polyvagal theory right like all of these ways for emotional regulation and how to define success for yourself and you know, make sure that you don't launch out into the world. Just because Luke and I you know, in an episode several episodes ago now it was really sad but you go back X amount of time, and being rich and famous was like the 16th or 17th thing on a list that a kid from like seven to 12 would say they wanted flash forward to today. being rich and famous are number one and two, right? So, you know, you look at how much we've shifted our values that that's what the kids are picking up on. That is sad. And that does not advance society, right? Everybody just wanting to be rich and famous does not advance society for the better.

Luke Fenwick 1:10:18
I got one more question. One more question. What's the most What have you been most surprised about as being critical for the state of well, being? With all the research, all the conversations, everything that you've undertaken? Maria, what do you what are you most surprised about as being critical for someone's state of well being? What jumped out?

Mariya Radysh 1:10:51
That's a lot. It is a puzzle. It is a very big puzzle. We don't even know all the pieces at this point in time. But I think I spoke about the three legged chair. I think when it comes to the health leg, the most important thing is to get proper sleep. In particularly if you want to grow professionally and personally, you need to let your brain rest and rewire in order to grow. When you keeping yourself sleep deprived, you actually holding yourself back from experiencing that growth from experiencing that progress, to getting proper sleep, for me was probably the most important piece. But of course, it is also intertwined with other things. So, for instance, our microbiome, unfortunately, you know, it's been known for centuries that food should be medicine, then that illnesses all come from the gut, Hippocrates said it ages ago. But we've been studying microbiome only within the last five, seven years, this is where we've finally learned more about it. And it's not just gut bacteria, like we've got microbiome everywhere, on our skin and our lungs, and our mouth. So it's not just in our tummies. It's a very, very crucial piece. And I want to say that I wish that all those money that was invested into developing vaccines were actually invested into studying microbiome, and helping a human being to build a stronger immune system. Thanks to Good bacteria. I really wish this is where things were invested into. Because I believe that is the solution to the current situation. So yeah, when it comes to health, I do believe this is the most important leg, this is something that we always like, I did not pay attention to it. Although I come from a family of medical practitioners, I just did not take care of my health at all. Funny enough, you know, and ike a great example of a shoemaker without shoes. And, for me, that was the most important thing that I needed to address in order to climb out of that hole. However, as I said, in my TEDx talk, that I felt like I was burnt into ashes, this is how I felt. And for me, in order to rise back up as a Phoenix, I needed to take care of my sleep, and I needed to take care of my microbiome, and to collaborate with it. Because microbiome affects us we affected so it is a teamwork. It is truly a teamwork. It's a two way streets connection. And we need to understand what kind of microbiome we need to suppress and what kind of microbiome we need to help to expand on us within our within us. And then it will do the work, you know, it will help you to recover faster, it will help your immune system, it will help hormonal production. It will basically help with everything.

Luke Fenwick 1:14:04
Right, thank you to throw that one at your last second there. But all right, so, you know, we're well well into an hour and something or other at this point in time, and I think Sean will start to bring this one to the close. So I'll hand it over to you for the last little bit.

Sean Oldham 1:14:19
Yes. And before we do, Mariya, just where can our listeners engage with you further? Where can they find you out on the social media or worldwide web?

Mariya Radysh 1:14:29
Please connect with me on LinkedIn and Instagram. I've been posting a lot and sharing insights and tips and tools on how to become happier and healthier.

Sean Oldham 1:14:41
Amazing, and that's at Mariya Radysh. Yes. That is yes. Yeah. Sorry. I didn't roll the are enough. But yeah, so on to our final question. I mean, the show is, you know, conversation for a better tomorrow, right? We just want we just hope that our listeners can hear a thing or two that they can Apply to their lives and you know, improve just a little bit of day starting tomorrow. So in the interest of that, what is the most important conversation The world needs right now to create a better tomorrow?

Mariya Radysh 1:15:12
I think we need to decide what kind of tomorrow we want. So once we make a decision, and I think it's something that can be done globally, once we decide where do we want to go further, and how we want the future to be, then we can make changes accordingly. Because at this point, it feels like everyone is going in a different direction. And or most people don't even think about it, they just go with the flow, and they don't even think about what kind of world do I want to have for myself and for my children? How do I feel? How do I want to? What do I want to do and what kind of world I want around me? Most people just don't think about that. So this is what the first step should be is to make a decision? What kind of future are we pursuing? You know, with artificial intelligence and becoming interplanetary species and, you know, increasing situation in relation to the pollution and things like that. Then we just need to make a decision. Where exactly we want to go as a species that would be the first step.

Sean Oldham 1:16:19
So begin with the end in mind. I like that.

Mariya Radysh 1:16:22
And then we can create a strategy. Yeah.

Luke Fenwick 1:16:25
Beautiful. Awesome. I love it. I love it. I think that's the perfect place to bring this thing for close. Mariya. Thank you. How do you feel after that?

Mariya Radysh 1:16:35
If it's a great time, thank you guys for having me.

Luke Fenwick 1:16:38
Beautiful, beautiful. Thank you so much. So everybody out there. Thank you listeners. If you like this, encourage you to like share, subscribe, tell everybody, your next door neighbor, your cousin, your best friend, whatever it might be. We'll be back in a couple of weeks. I think I'm not sure Sean, but we're back for Episode 13. But as always, be safe. Be present. Be you and Sean?

Sean Oldham 1:17:01
Be fulfilled.

Luke Fenwick 1:17:02
Beautiful. Mariya. Take care, Sean, look after yourself, everybody. Bye for now.

Sean Oldham 1:17:09
Thank you.